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Depeche Mode / Producer Mark Bell: Studio Excitement
[Keyboard, May 2001, Words: Robert L. Doerschuk. Pictures: Anton Corbijn.]
Specialist interview looking in close detail at the studio technicalities of the making of Exciter. Most of the album's songs are examined down to the intricacies of how certain sounds were made, and Martin and Andy discuss their working processes and the equipment and software used. Producer Mark Bell is also briefly interviewed. Although the average reader will probably lose interest half way through, this article is outstanding for musicians.
" I think we were considered circus freaks, really, out on a limb somewhere, doing something that had no emotion and was absolutely cold. But we never, ever, considered it that way at all. We've managed to get a lot of emotion out of samplers and synthesizers. "
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Back in 1980, when the prototype version of Depeche Mode took form in Basildon, England, eagle-eyed British journalists looked them over and decided they fit into the trendy New Romantic sub-genre, though some punk residue cast a shadow or two over their look and sound. What made them different was their commitment to dragging synthesizers away from the sterile dance-oriented pop of Kraftwerk into a more song-driven, mainstream context.

That was a lifetime ago. In the intervening decades they've released 14 albums, the most recent, 'Ultra', in 1997. That's a substantial body of creative work, and the band can boast more than a few chart-surfing hits. Yet, aside from the sheer endurance, what may impress fans most about these guys is the fact that through the long parade of trends in pop music, they've kept their sound intact and vital.

Need proof? Flash back to 1983, after co-founder Vince Clarke packed up his peppy sequences and split to form Yaz. The band is riding high with 'Everything Counts'. Now kidnap some unsuspecting fans from the local vinyl shop, zoom them to the present, and play them parts of 'Exciter', the milky drones and slithery, slow-mo synth lines of 'Shine', or the Munster-like, lead-footed plod from 'Dead of Night'. Whatever track you pick, your victims will flash a knowing look and say, "So, you got the new Depeche Mode."

Rather than get lost in a struggle to reinvent themselves, this band - like Louis Armstrong, the Stones, and Philip Glass - has made it their mission to keep doing what they do best, and to do it better than ever. 'Exciter', with its unsettling chord changes, darkly glistening timbres, inexpressive yet somehow affecting vocals, and allergy to punchy backbeats, argues that they've succeeded once again.

You say they're stagnating? Standing still? Not for a minute. They're being true to their vision. In spirit, Depeche Mode is an artifact dating back to a time when electronic pop was new, when the artists who explored it were drawn more by its potential than by any instinct to conform. They've influenced many, particularly in ambient circles, yet no one has put all the pieces together - the craft of their songs, the experimental spirit of their arrangements - with as much consistency and originality as Depeche Mode themselves.

We explored these issues one afternoon in March with two thirds of Depeche Mode, Andrew Fletcher and Martin Gore. A few days later, 'Exciter' producer Mark Bell agreed to answer email questions about his involvement and perspective on the project; his thoughts appear on page 38.

Does 'Exciter' have any particular identity for you, as you consider it in the context of your catalog?
Gore:
This record is far too close at the moment. We've been working on it for the last year and a half. I still find it really hard to judge any of our records. We just work on them far too much, and play them far too much. We're the last persons you should ask, with the least perspective.
Fletcher: For us, we remember distinct periods of our career that stick out. But we don't really conceptualize too much. We do things very naturally. When we started out, the electronic purists said there were rules we had to stick to. We didn't really use guitars, even though the guitar was my first instrument; I started playing it when I was 13. I hadn't even attempted keyboards until I was at least 16 or 17. But we got over that quite quickly, and we tend to do things more naturally these days.

Has your approach to writing changed as the musical tools available to you have evolved?
Gore:
This time around, it was actually very different from the way we worked in the past. I've always worked on the demos on my own, in my studio at home. This time around, I had six months where I basically did nothing. I just kept putting it off and putting it off: "I'm not inspired. I don't feel like I've got the songs in me." It became a real chore. So I decided, for the first time, to get a couple of friends in, just to kick-start me. I got Gareth Jones, an engineer we've worked with quite a bit in the past, to come in and work with me, and one of my friends, Paul Freegard, who's sort of a keyboard programmer.

Just having them there made me start writing. They would sit in the studio, waiting to work, so I'd say, "Give me two hours and I'll come back with a song that we can start on." That was really important for me. Had I not had them there, I think I would have just kept putting it off. Even though I had the rest of the band dying to work, and the record company desperate for us to start putting something out, that meant nothing until I had two people sitting in the studio, waiting to work.

Do you still write both on guitar and on keys?
Gore:
I generally start either on acoustic guitar or on piano, just to get the chord structure and the words and the vocal melody together before I even think about where I'm going to take the song.

So you don't hear the arrangement, or think about the instruments you'd like to use, when you're writing?
Gore:
I don't work like that. It's really trial and error with me. We worked with Mark Bell, who's probably most famous for the last couple of records he worked on with Bjork ['Homogenic' and 'Selma Songs']. He's just so good with sounds. He can visualize sounds in his head. He goes to a keyboard, and he creates that sound. It's not even just about the keyboard sound - it's the whole vision of a song. I just can't do that. I really have to test something out. If it works, keep it in; if it doesn't, take it out.

Can you point to a song on 'Exciter' that might have gone in a very different direction without Mark's input on arrangements?
Fletcher:
'I Feel Loved' is a good example.
Gore: 'I Feel Loved' had a dance theme to it. It was already hinting at a dance-floor thing. But when I actually did the demo, I think it was about 109 beats per minute, and Mark sped it up to 128. We got in a percussion player, and it ended up sounding like Hamilton Bohannon [laughs]. Even though the basic song is quite similar [to the demo], it's definitely taken on a different meaning. Apart from that, Mark added this really great [TC Works] Mercury. There are all these great virtual synths at the moment, but the Mercury is fantastic. Mark used it to get that aggressive, growly sound over the top, that really took it somewhere else.

'I Feel Loved' is one of the few songs on 'Exciter' that has a steady backbeat feel.
Gore:
I think it's the only track on the album that actually might get played in a club. It makes me laugh when people say we're a dance band. I can't remember the last time we did anything that might be aimed at the dance floor, apart from the occasional remix. They used to put stickers on our albums that said, "Dance Record". I don't know how long that went on...
Fletcher: 'I Feel You' [from 'Songs of Faith and Devotion', 1993] had that.
Gore: The first three or four albums had that, and it used to make me laugh.

On 'I Feel Loved' the steady rhythm seems to tie the song together through its many textural changes.
Gore:
The whole album is very diverse. I think it's okay for us now, 21 years after we started, to actually embrace disco and say that we feel comfortable putting out a record that has four on the floor. There probably would have been a point in the past where we would have shied away from that.

By the same token, the guitar sounds on 'Exciter' work within the electronic timbres of each song as an orchestrational element.
Gore:
One of the things about Mark [Bell] is, we've done albums in the past where we'd be working on trying to get something like that over two days. But Mark's got a very relaxed attitude toward the guitar sounds. Perhaps that's why it sounds like that.
 
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Is the melody in the instrumental track, 'Easy Tiger', played on guitar?
Gore:
That's vibes, really, with strings playing the same chord.

You have some live strings on one track, 'When The Body Speaks'.
Gore:
That's right. We were recording in New York and Dave [Gahan] wanted to get one of his friends there, Knox Chandler, involved in some way. So we had Knox arrange that track, which we thought was suitable because it's one of the more organic-sounding tracks. It was based around the guitar and vocal, really. A lot of the songs on this record have a kind of '50s or '60s influence, in a strange sort of way. They sound sort of current, but there are definitely references to the '50s and '60s in there.

What element of 'When The Body Speaks' has that flavor?
Gore:
I guess it reminds me of the Righteous Brothers playing next door to a rave, because it's got that incessant beat - the bass and the drums going through it. But the actual solo on the top reminds of the Righteous Brothers.

The lyrics on that song are somewhat reflective - "when the body speaks, all else is hollow", and so on. Did that suggest a string treatment as well?
Gore:
Not really. It was more because this was one of the more organic-sounding tracks, one of the tracks that was based more on guitar and vocals. It just seemed more natural to continue that sort of thing with some so-called real instruments...I hate that term [laughs].

Because all instruments are equally real?
Gore:
Of course they are. We've been making electronic music now for over 20 years, and the fact that I have to use the term "real instruments" is sad, you know? It's how we're conditioned to think.

Are people still expressing skepticism about synthesizers and the other electronic tools that you use?
Gore:
That's true. We got a lot of that sort of attitude when we started out. I think we were considered circus freaks, really, out on a limb somewhere, doing something that had no emotion and was absolutely cold. But we never, ever, considered it that way at all. We've managed to get a lot of emotion out of samplers and synthesizers.

There's a lot of analog sound on this record. Does that come from authentic analog instruments?
Gore:
A lot of the stuff that we used was contemporary, but of course we used a lot of old stuff as well. 'Dead of Night', for instance: A lot of the sounds for that were created with the [EMS] Synthi AKS - even that heavy sound at the beginning, which sounds like a guitar, was actually a synth. A lot of people don't realise that you can get those sorts of sounds out of those keyboards.

What older keyboards are difficult to replace with newer gear?
Gore:
In my studio at home I still have three ARP 2600s. They're still really good for making sounds. I didn't actually take them with us when we went into the studio, but a lot of the sounds that we used were made at the demo stage. We used the ARP 2600 at that stage, and it's irreplaceable.

Do you use older instruments onstage?
Gore:
You can't really take them on the road. It's not practical. How we're going to recreate the Synthi AKS sound live is still a mystery. I don't know how we're gonna do it. It might be a question of sampling the sounds, or maybe sampling a riff across 12 keys. We haven't gotten into the practicalities yet, but I think it will be quite difficult to create some of those old synth sounds.

Once you've gotten a song written, what's the next step in arranging the material?
Fletcher:
Martin makes the demos. That's one of the most exciting things about being in a group, when I hear those demos. It's a bit like, I suppose, being a Depeche Mode fan and getting to hear the record. That's one of my favourite moments.

Are these essentially cut with guitar and piano?
Fletcher
: Oh, no. With Paul and Gareth, it's a bit more than that. They're quite decent demos. Some of the demos didn't change that much, although a lot of them did. They weren't just guitar or piano.

Can you point toward one track on the album and explain how you developed arrangement ideas beyond what was on the demo?
Fletcher:
It's a teamwork effort all the way through. We'll hear the demo; maybe Mark will be there, and Gareth, and Dave as well. we'll talk at the beginning about which direction to put it in, or if the direction it's in is good. It works like that.

So you get together physically in a studio where there's a bunch of keyboards lying around?
Fletcher:
Yeah, and computers. It's quite interesting, because on this project we set up all our gear in the control room and worked in there, at a small desk, with more space. Dave was doing his vocals on [Digidesign] Pro Tools, in the control room. Martin also had a setup, and people set up for writing in the vocal booth. So we were making full use of the studio.
Gore: It was really funny, because we'd been going to all these pop studios were they had 56-channel SSLs. We shunned that and went into the control room, where we had two Mackies set up. We decided we should maybe just piss the studios off and set up two Mackies on top of the SSLs [laughs].

What equipment was essential on this project?
Gore:
I need a sampler; I do a lot of sampling. I use an old Akai sampler. It has a CD-ROM drive in it, so you can sample internally as opposed to hooking up CD players to it.

How did you use samplers in working out this new material?
Gore:
It's trial and error. I'll do a lot of sampling. For the demo, I might sample a beat, cut it up, and get something working, this is after I've got a basic track for the song, the vocal melody and everything. Then I'll just layer on top of that, add keyboards and try different things. I use a [Roland] JD-800 quite a lot, and all the other things: the Synthi AKS, the ARP 2600s, the Minimoog...the triangle [laughs].

Do you have instruments or objects around you that you sample at that stage of arranging?
Gore:
I do a lot of sampling from CD. Sometimes I sample instruments, like old keyboards, but not really too much, because I record everything to [Emagic] Logic Audio, so anything we do that's live, we might as well put it in there. Occasionally there might be something that you think would make a great sample, then you'll sample it and screw around with it, things like that. But generally, if it's real instruments..."real instruments"? There I go again.
Fletcher: "Organic instruments" is the word, isn't it?

Acoustic instruments, perhaps?
Gore:
Well, no, because the electric guitar is electric...
Fletcher: This is turning into a "spinal" conversation [laughs].
Gore: Anyway, I generally record it straight to Logic Audio.

'Comatose' has some very interesting, intricate background over a minimal rhythm track.
Gore:
That was one of the weirdest tracks on the record. There's not really a bass going on in that one. There's a lot of really loud hi-hat. The majority of the rest of that backing track was actually a sampled organ that we filtered down until it ended up sounding like a steamboat or something. It works, in a strange kind of way.

What kind of organ was it?
Fletcher:
It was a Wurlitzer or something - a big organ, with a Leslie.

Did you feel, as you were doing 'Comatose', that maybe you were taking it further out than you had intended?
Fletcher:
That track was actually fuller at one point, with a more conventional arrangement. We went more minimal.
Gore: The chords were a lot more apparent on the demo. Mark sampled some sound; it was one chord. It was a good idea, and it had a good atmosphere, a good vibe to it, but somehow it didn't work. So we really distorted it. It just went a little bit too far: The chords were lost. That's when we had the idea of sampling each individual chord and doing the same sort of treatment he had on the original sample. That worked.
 

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When you go to the chorus, at the lyric "Don't be afraid, I'm floating away", the song shifts suddenly to a simple third that kind of stands still.
Fletcher:
That bit was how it was on the demo. The rhythm track carried on under it on the demo, but apart from that it's very similar.

On another cut, 'I Am You', what did you use for those high synth parts in the last verse?
Gore:
That was Mark Bell doing some high string thing on the [E-mu] Emulator. He's such a great conceptualist of sound. I think he could take any sound and make it into whatever he wants.

What about that sound that opens 'Goodnight Lovers'?
Fletcher:
That was on the original demo. Paul Freegard did that sound on the [Clavia] Nord Lead.

On your single, 'Dream On', there's one detail that caught my attention: Right before you go into the verse and after the bridge, two little synthesizer blips pop up. Why was it important to drop them into the arrangement?
Gore:
They're hooks.
Fletcher: They're strange, and oddly melodic. They were created on the Nord Lead and the Synthi, I believe.

Your arrangements sometimes shy away from repetitive hooks, though.
Gore:
We don't avoid repetitiveness in a song. We do not try to repeat sounds on more than one track; that would be boring. It's like, using factory presets has always been a horrific idea for us.

It's difficult to identify the sources for many of your sounds, such as that synth gliss at the beginning of 'Dead of Night'. Do you prefer sounds that are not too recognizable?
Gore:
I think that would be analyzing it too much. We just try to create sounds that are different.

Will you ever release one of your voice-and-piano demos, without the electronic embellishments?
Fletcher:
That's an interesting idea. I don't think Martin's demos will ever come out, but some of them are really good, even though they're quite different from the final version. It would be nice to get them out, but I don't think that'll happen.
Gore: We were talking the other night to our webmaster, and he was saying that before the album is released it might be nice to drop a demo, one a week, for three or four weeks. Maybe that's not a bad idea.

What other equipment played an important role on this album?
Gore:
I went away to write in Vancouver with this really small setup in a flight case. Now that "small" setup involved two people carrying it. After that writing period, I had these things setup on my laptop. All you need now to go away and write is a laptop, with all these virtual synths. I mean, you've got the PPG as a virtual synth, the Mercury, Absynth, and Reaktor. Those four are absolutely fantastic tools. So next time I go away to write, all I'm gonna need is my laptop.
Fletcher: Although you don't have one now.
Gore: It was stolen! So I've got to get all those things installed in a new laptop. But it's fantastic that it's so easy now to make high-quality music in your bedroom with a really minimal setup. I mean, we recorded most of the album on Logic Audio, which is very cheap, and anyone out there can do that.

Do you still sample a lot outside the studio, as you did in years past?
Gore:
I'm only doing it now during the writing process. I'm not really prolific. I have writing periods, then I'll go in and sample things and work on them. Now that we've finished the record, we're setting up for the tour by preparing all our computer stuff with a live setup. Then we're going to rehearsals. I just don't think about sampling and writing during that stage.

What are the more crucial pieces of gear you'll be taking on the tour?
Gore:
We're still considering what we're gonna use for the live setup. We've got this really good guy, Andrew Philpot, who worked on our last tour; he's got a few different approaches that we're considering. I'm not sure which route we're gonna take.

As pioneers of electronic pop music, how do you feel about how this technology is being used today?
Gore:
A lot of people are making very interesting electronic music. You have to delve to find it, but it's there. I really like Thomas Brinkmann, people like that. They're not mainstream, but they're really good.

Is it a different thing to be a member of Depeche Mode than it was ten or 20 years ago?
Fletcher:
I don't think it causes any problems with regards to working. In fact, it's very enjoyable, being able to go to California, to New York, to London as well, in making the album.
Gore: We've always tried to make our albums an adventure. We used to make a point of going to different cities to make the records. I don't think it necessarily affected the sound, but it made it more of an exciting adventure for us.


PRODUCER MARK BELL: STUDIO EXCITEMENT

Mark Bell has been cutting a swath through the pop music world. Among his credits: Bjork's 'Homogenic' (see Keyboard, Jan. '98). We weren't able to hook up with Mark face to face, but we emailed him a list of questions about his work on 'Exciter', and received a few provocative comments in reply.

How did you first make contact with Depeche Mode?
Daniel Miller (the head of Mute) first contacted me in the second half of May 2000 and asked if I was interested in working on the new DM album. I'd be lying if I didn't say I was really excited; I've always loved their stuff. I met everyone about a week later: We all went to a restaurant and just had a laugh, really. We decided to start as soon as possible.

Did you have any ideas about their sound, and how you might either work with it or encourage them to move beyond it?
There were five initial demos. They all had very special emotions that grabbed me straight away. I made new beats and sounds that were from the same family as the originals, to make each song sound whole.

In addition to the band's gear, what equipment of your own did you consider essential to bring to the 'Exciter' sessions?
I brought my [Macintosh] G3 laptop with digital out, which is super-fast, with [Steinberg] Cubase, [Native Instruments] Reaktor, and [BIAS] Peak. These are really powerful together - you can do anything wherever you are. I also brought my Casio Fz-10 [sampler] for dirty sounds and the E-mu E4X for the sexy ones. My older analog synths were all helpful too.

Depeche Mode has never jumped on the heavy-backbeat bandwagon. Could you describe your role in helping them define and put together some of the more unusual rhythm tracks?
'When the Body Speaks' was recorded in Electric Lady in New York, in an intimate live room where Jimmy the studio cat sleeps. I got Martin and Dave to just play together without headphones and enjoy the song. The results were really beautiful - the innocent guitar line with the 'knowing' lyrics and Dave's feeling - I love it! All the beats and sounds just followed the route.

Martin and Andrew discussed how the arrangement to 'Comatose' grew from a single sample that you had brought in - or, perhaps, grew away from that sample to something more abstract. Could you discuss that process?
On 'Comatose' the demo vocal was perfect. I changed the harmonics and rhythm to make Martin sound as if he's in one room singing and the music is being played in another room by some crazy dope nutty professor.

I'm curious about the very dry, acoustic guitar-dominated, intimate sound of 'Dream On'.

We treated the electronic sounds in 'Dream On' with the same respect as the acoustic ones. I find it really boring when electronic things are treated as if they're from the future, with all that phasing and bouncing silly shit all over the place. This one was really honest with the complete live performances intact, with decorative electronics adding to the pace and the narrative of the song.
 

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Cover date: May 2001 (USA)
Article writer: Robert L. Doerschuk
Photography: Anton Corbijn
Details: A six page cover story on the band.
 
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