Lengthy band interview supposedly discussing technology but largely concentrating on studio working relationships in the Ultra sessions. Some of the answers are very vague and it seems that the band were lost in a studio without Alan. However there is an exhaustive list of the equipment used, as well a detailed career review from a technological point of view.
" So, setting the drugs aside for a while, sit back and enjoy a relatively normal interview with a band that rarely talks technology, as we retrace their unique story from the perspective of music technology… "
One member left, one suffered a nervous breakdown, another even died for a couple of minutes. But Depeche Mode are back with a harder sound, a top five single and an album that no-one thought they’d ever make…
Drugs, sex, religion, Mart, leather, America, synths, Basildon, Vince, pop, dress, nudity, tours, speedball, God, servant, knees, tattoo, death, industry, metal, stadia, Fletch, master, grainy videos, Alan, haircuts, love, black, strange, Gahan, Just Can’t Get, enough…
Think Depeche Mode and it’s almost guaranteed that a selection of these words will pass through your mind. The recent progress of the band, or lack of it, has been well documented by the national press – not for their music, but for the near death of the lead singer Dave Gahan, the nervous breakdown of keyboardist Andy Fletcher and departure of sound-shaper Alan Wilder. But the story of Depeche Mode is much more than a battle with drugs and rock’n’roll excess…
There’s the fact that they’ve been making successful music for nearly 20 years and have had over 20 hit singles and around 10 hit albums. And in the process of doing this, there’s also the fact that they have had to move with the musical times with the technology available. From the happy realms of monosynth pop, through the dramatic backdrop of polyphony and sampling, to the grungeland of guitar tech rock, Depeche Mode has exceeded everyone’s expectations.
So, setting the drugs aside for a while, sit back and enjoy a relatively normal interview with a band that rarely talks technology, as we retrace their unique story from the perspective of music technology…
Have you found it difficult to settle down in the studio again after such a long time away?
D: Yes, but we have done our best work in the last few months. It gets more and more difficult because when you know each other so well, little things become really big things. There is a lot of outside things… everyone’s got families and they’ve got other interests outside of the band so less and less time really gets spent on making music together. I think when things go well it’s really good, but there’s a lot of sitting around and waiting. The roles are very defined: Martin writes the songs and I sing them. We have Tim Simenon working with us on this record and a number of other people playing music, programming and stuff like that. Tim is playing a really big role in it. I wouldn’t say that he replaced Alan because it’s completely different thing, but he fulfils that role. I think Martin is working a little bit harder in pushing himself further and working in the studio because there’s nobody else to do it…
M: This record has been really easy for us to make. There is such a easy-going atmosphere in the studio, and the team we are working with are all such nice people. So compared to the pressure of making the last few albums, this is totally enjoyable. I knew Tim before and we actually met quite a lot over the years, but I’ve never spent a lot of time with him, and he’s such a lovely person. It feels like I have discovered a new soul brother. When you have to be in a studio with four or five different people all the time, it always helps if you have that bond with them…
F: It’s been quite easy because Martin has been writing very good songs and, at the end of the day, if you’re working on good songs, it’s much easier. We’ve settled in with a very good team of people, so that’s helped things as well… the atmosphere has been very good.
What was your initial reaction after first listening to Martin’s demo?
D: I really wanted to record them, I really wanted to do the songs. A lot of the lyrical content, the feeling and the melodies really fitted with the way that I was feeling and the stuff I was personally going through. It seemed like it would be a really good thing for me to do at that time, because it was a way of me kind of working through my own personal problems. In retrospect, I wasn’t ready and it was more important for me to take heroin than being in the band, but I think that in the last few months I feel like I’ve done some of my best work. I’ve thrown myself into it, I’ve been working with a vocal coach, Evelyn, and we were also working with her in Los Angeles. We recorded vocals for some of the songs in L.A. . It’s a long process and I’m trying to put all my energy into doing that…
F: There are different demos, it’s not just one. We’ve given him three or four writing periods, so it’s not as if we listened to all the songs in one go. And he’s been playing me songs all the time. We are very happy, because the standard is very good.
Why did you choose Tim Simenon to work with?
M: We all really liked the last Bomb The Bass album and I particularly liked the Gavin Friday album that came out just a couple of months before we started working with Tim. Tim does have a trivia of dance music and he can make 69bpm quite easy and this is quite important to us because we are in such a slow territory. In the past, we had gone much faster than 100bpm, but when I try writing anything faster than that, it always sounds silly to me… it just loses the atmosphere. For me, this record is all about atmosphere.
F: Tim’s name has come up in the past; he’s done remixes for us that we liked. The thing that made us eager to work with him was the team of people that surround him: Dave Clayton, who’s a really good musician. Perhaps with losing Alan we needed someone expert in the field. Q is a really good engineer, very quiet, and with our programmer, Kerry, it’s a good team. It was not as if we were just taking Tim on… it was a whole team of people.
What is, in your opinion, the main difference in work approach between Tim Simenon and Flood?
D: The difference is that Tim has got kind of a little team. We have a programmer, a keyboard player and he uses the same engineer all the time. Flood pretty much works on his own in a very different way. I think Martin really enjoys working with Tim because Tim likes to work in the same sort of process as Martin, so they get on really well. I think Flood’s way was to try a lot more stuff musically and, digging deeper, that sort of going with the same format of just programming everything, every song.
M: One of the main differences is that there is a lot less performance, but that’s also probably dictated by the songs more. There’s a lot less guitar on this record than on the last one, and probably less than on Violator as well. Tim also has a strange set-up and he works with the same team. With Flood, it was just Flood there throwing ideas at us and saying, “We have to try this, get on with this and see if this works,” and suggesting things and trying them out. Now there are sometimes two or three different things going on at once… Me and Tim might talk to Dave Clayton, the keyboard player, and say, maybe we should try this on this song and he’d put the headphones on and go out and work for a few hours, while I might be back in the studio trying out something else on a different song. And sometimes, like in New York, we had a set-up that would even enable me to return to writing. They call it parallel working (laughs).
F: I don’t think there is much difference really. Producing is getting on with people, and getting the best out of them. Flood comes from an engineering background, while Tim comes from more of a musician’s background, because he has a group, but generally their approach is still the same. Because all the people in the band are different personalities, you need to have someone to make sure that all the personalities are working together and trying to get the best out of each other.
Did Alan Wilder’s departure affect roles and responsibilities within the band in any way?
M: Alan was almost a control freak and I think that he still is. He tended to really focus on the production and it’s something that didn’t particularly interest me. Obviously, I cared about what was going on and what the end result was like… if I liked what he was doing, then I would let him get on with it, until it came to a point when I really didn’t like something, then I would say I don’t think that would work, maybe try something else. It is sort of something like background producer. Now, I definitely have to be slightly more involved than that. Quite a lot of the time, it’s just me, Tim and the team.
F: I think that Alan was trying to gain control of everything towards the end of the project, and because I wasn’t very well, he was doing that. He was able to take control, and I think I deal with things a bit differently. I don’t think the roles have changed at all… we just replaced Alan with a team of people.