How early is early?
Martin: "About 12. You don't get offstage usually 'til 10.30, 11, so to get to bed by 12 you've really achieved something there."
Fletch: "The whole story just sounds so rock 'n' roll. But, I suppose, it is. That's the way it was."
If Andy Fletcher sounds a little amazed hearing himself make this observation, it's hardly surprising. Built for a career in accountancy as opposed to feasting on the flesh of freshly sacrificed virgins, his primary role in Depeche Mode is to oversee the conception, execution and successful resolution of each 'project', as both he and Gore are wont to term official Mode activity. This even extends to refusing to allow Martin five minutes to finish his beer before we depart for the photo-shoot. "Come on," he flusters, "we do have a bit of a schedule on today."
But, as Martin himself protests, Depeche Mode "are not as depraved as people would like to make out". Dave Gahan might look like rock 'n' roll incarnate now, but 'twas not ever thus. Nay. The inspiration for his Satan-sponsored makeover came from a book. Indeed, a book about The Rolling Stones.
"Yeah," Gahan nods, a little sheepishly, in his Abbey Road interview lair. "Philip Norman (author of The Stones biography). Keef, man! Keef was for real! And I look at him now, and I love him."
As Gahan is all too aware, Keef survived as long as he has via the good services of professional 'doctors', who toured with the Stones throughout their drug heyday. Had Dave not been similarly catered for on the 'Devotional' tour, he might not have seen that project through, let alone begin and eventually conclude this new one.
"We had a fully-paid psychiatrist on the road as well!" laughs Gahan. "Pretty funny. I never went to see him, I didn't have any problems, hahaha! Not psychological, anyway! I even too it so far as to be desperate to get Primal Scream to come on the road with us. They were perfect, absolutely perfect! I loved that last album, everything about them was what I wanted us to be! That was my fantasy. We had a lot of fun, actually, a lot of good times. They'd always be in my dressing room!"
It must have been carnage.
"It was brilliant! There'd be a knock at the door before the show and it's Innes, or Throb, or Bobby, (adopts pretty respectable Glaswegian accent) 'Have ye got a wee sniff, Mr G? I cannae make it tonight, I've been on the Jack all day, I just need a wee sniff, Mr G'. Hahaha! Really funny. And of course, I'd supply them with what they needed. Bobby saw right through my little game, and I felt I saw right through him. He gives off this great image of being this wasted f---up, but he's a real smart, clever guy. Bobby balanced it really well, he knew where to stop. I didn't realise that nobody actually did play the game that hard. And the Scream proved that."
For Martin and Fletch, the impact of Dave's lifestyle choice appears cushioned by the distance, physical and spiritual, that has graphically developed between the three Essex boys ever since Gahan moved to Los Angeles in 1991. Neither of them has ever done heroin, and therefore both freely admit to not truly comprehending what happened to their friend.
"I've only actually thought Dave was dead twice," says Martin, "which is not bad going, If you get a phonecall and it's your manager or somebody saying, 'I need to speak to you about Dave, something really bad's happened', the first thought you have is 'Oh my God, this time it's the big one'. And that's only happened twice. And it's really bad, but that's par for the course as Dave goes."
"He should have been dead," states Fletch. "He should have been dead, honestly. I don't know how his body actually kept up with it."
Martin: "What's that phrase? Institutions, jail, death? And Dave says, 'I've been there and done them all'. And he's still walking. He's still singing. So it's a miracle, praise the Lord. Heh-heh-heh-heh!"
Your record label must be especially grateful.
Fletch: "They must have had a few heart attacks in the last couple of years."
Martin: "A-heurgh-heurgh-heurgh!"
Depeche Mode is seriously big business. Mute Records depend substantially on Mode record sales to fund their other, less commercially potent artists. It would, then, be an unsurprising, if unpalatable, fact of life if there were those amidst the Depeche organisation who viewed Gahan's narcotic traumas as a financial inconvenience, rather than a purely personal tragedy.
Gahan himself admits to feelings of resentment about what he perceives as his colleagues' self-interest.
"Six months ago, I was really pissed off about it, because all that really seemed important to Mart and Fletch was if I was dead there'd be no Depeche Mode any more. I didn't get any support at all, verbally, from Fletch or Mart at any point. In fact, I've maybe heard from Mart once or twice in nearly three years. To be fair, I don't think they knew how bad it really was. They only saw me sporadically, and I tried to get it together enough to fool them.
"But I still am a bit resentful, especially of Mart. He rang me just before I went into Exodus (the detox unit where Gahan finally cleaned up) and he was angry with me. I came off the phone in tears, because I realised, 'F---, they don't really give a shit about me, it's the fact that there might not be any Depeche Mode any more'. Really selfish.
"I was the most selfish one of all, by far, and I claim that, but it would have been nice if there had been some support from my so-called friends. Fletch used to tell me a lot of his friends were like, 'Why don't you just boot him out?' Hahaha! Which is a pretty funny concept, coming from Fletch! [1]
One thing all three members of Depeche Mode agree on is that the difficult gestation of the current project would have been most likely rendered intolerable were Alan Wilder still present. Remembered by Martin Gore as a "misanthropist", the man who replaced Vince Clarke in 1982 as the band's resident techno-boffin - though not, of course, it's songwriter, that function shifting to Gore - had clearly become an irritant to others. Fletch jokes that his departure was inevitable "because he didn't come from Essex".
"When Alan left the band he was insistent on making a big press statement," says Martin. [2] "One of his main points was that he felt the workload over the years had been unfairly distributed. And if that was the case it was because he decided that was how it should be, because he was a control freak. If the work was unfairly distributed it was because he made it that way."
[1] - This rather unkind comment is based on the fact that Andy, being a non-musician, has limited input in the studio, concentrating more on the business aspect of Depeche Mode. It sometimes leads to him being unfairly overlooked (though generally not by other band members!) as a 'spare part'.
[2] - It was hardly a big press statement, Martin. (But you've got to admire his style, releasing it on his birthday.)